We’re joined by Rob Slaven, long time Captain in the Royal Australian Navy. Rob is now Defence Business Development Director with Serco, a company that works primarily with government services, most prominently in the sectors of law & order, health, transport, justice, immigration, defence and citizens services. We discuss: Rob’s transition from the Navy to civilian work; how he and Gabe met; the role of Innovation in the Australian Defence Force; and the RSV Nuyina, Australia’s new Antarctic icebreaker. You might not always think of Australia when you are thinking about icebreakers. We talk all about that. And does the South Pole have the same geopolitical challenges we see in the North?